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17 Girls Suspended in Saudi Arabia For Showing Faces
October 16, 2003

At least 17 expatriate teenage girls in eastern Saudi Arabia have been suspended from school for a week for uncovering their faces on the school bus, the school's headmistress said in remarks published Wednesday.

The girls also had to sign an agreement not to repeat the act, said Malika Al-Duseiri, headmistress of the Eighth High School in Dammam, 250 miles northeast of the capital Riyadh.

''I noticed that they had removed their head covers on the school bus when I did a surprise call,'' Al-Duseiri told the daily Okaz. The girls' nationalities were not specified and attempts to reach the school were unsuccessful. From MSNBC

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User Comments:

i think thats crap because nobody should have to be covered. I dont want to look at someone and see a cover over their face. The persons face is what makes us different

Posted by: chanelle at November 7, 2003 10:12 AM

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i think that is so stupid. Nobody should have to stay covered.

Posted by: luckycharms at November 7, 2003 11:45 AM

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god what are they gona do when thare horemones kick in and thare legs open up to the world

Posted by: eric at November 8, 2003 09:36 AM

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I dont know some of my X girlfriends need to keep thier faces coverd.There are some fugly chicks in this world and ya know thats what paper bags were invented for.I swear that paper bags take off ten pounds.

Posted by: fat@$$ at November 10, 2003 11:38 AM

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That is an entire culture of men who lack any sort of self-control. If you can't even see a girl's face without being overcome with lust, you have SERIOUS issues.

Posted by: Jenna at November 13, 2003 10:27 AM

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This is just so impluasible, why do these cultures who say they want to move on into yhe future stick to out-dated and plainly stupid rules, their young people should grow up as equals which means treating them exactly the same, and letting girls show thier faces would be a good place to start

Posted by: Kat at November 19, 2003 06:12 AM

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we live the way we want
you r ones who don't know any thing about god's teatchings. religions also traditions. girls may uncover their faces at homes or with friends of girls... this rules brings peace to all... i know that u will never understand any thing i'd said.only the way u want ... but i'll prove it to ones who seek justic...
just try to compare between the rate of sexy assaults between saudi arabia and usa... i don't remember the number exactly but i'm sure it's doublecated ten times at laste percentage with the pupulations number...
i know u all will look at me as a nasty man... but i'am sure i'm not.
it's a god teatchings ... not an old rules.

Posted by: saudi boy at November 19, 2003 01:33 PM

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The solution to stopping sexual assault should not be for girls to cover up their faces, but for men to control themselves. Obviously, those girls are not included in Saudi boy's statement that "we live the way we want." Those girls would not have taken off their head covers if they were living the way they want.

Posted by: Anna at November 19, 2003 04:14 PM

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nice replay anna...
when i said we i meant we and we all... boys and girls. and i didn't mean the worst girls in the country...ni'm sure i love my sisters and i care about them more than u people all do. of course i can't stand and watch some one in the street trying to toutch my sis. or even look at her with hot aye... covering her face shall keep her safe and honored from bad guy who u will find any where in the world. about sexual assaults it depends on tousands of reasons. like the family. marriege free times. but seeing and talking with other girls is a very strong reason...
i know u see i'm talking too much . but it's because i know u don't understand our religion...
muslims ruled the world for centries and they broght peace too all. all modern sciences were born in the islamic generation. but i know they r so bad these days . and i'm sorry for that . but the only reason is they have forgetten to follow islam teatchings.

Posted by: saudi boy at November 20, 2003 10:03 PM

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If god gave us faces as a mean to communicate and express ourselves why should we cover them?

Saudi Boy - I'm sure ur a nice guy but religion does not bring peace - the opposite infact most of our wars are about religion.

FatBoy - sooo funny, thanks for adding some humour.

As for the girls - thank god the punishment was light, couldhave been worse but shouldn't have happened at all.

Posted by: sadie at November 21, 2003 02:41 AM

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This is totally TWISTED! It does not matter which nation, colour, race or religion one is from - there is only one CREATOR WHO CREATED US ALL whether we like it or not - but the crux is - WERE WE BORN WITH MASKS OVER OUR FACES? If so, yes they can wear those stupid masks, if not - why punish them then. I think this people really need to get their heads read sometime in this millenium!

Posted by: Hildegarde at November 21, 2003 06:30 AM

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I hope people look at this and see how stupid our beliefs and religions are. Don't just point fingures at the muslim people but look at some of the stupid stuff americans do and english, and the rest of the world. This could tell you alot about our world. I say just take a moment and reflect. And please post some of those stupid things we could change. If we just saw the flaw and realized it.

Posted by: major accent at November 24, 2003 03:06 AM

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and on another note.....

I believe that we should keep our views of god to our selfs. just like we should keep our sexual preffrences in the bedroom we should keep our gods in our churches.

We will be better off in the long run...


"we are burning in this melting pot"

Posted by: major accent at November 24, 2003 03:10 AM

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well, the bad thing here is that some of the people like "saudiboy" are thinking if one idea :sex ,girls should not uncover their faces to protect them from sexual assaults ,they can not drive coz they might go and meet their boyfriends and believe me any thing in the world he will give it a sexual interpretation.....hor god sake....life is full of other interesting and beautiful things other than sex.....but i too know that saudiboy won't understand.
the worst thing is he is involving islam in this ,which is completely unfair.
finally i want to ask saudiboy where did he get statistics about sexual assaults in usa ans saudi arabia....i know that there is no official numbers in saudi arabia ...!!!!! how can he be so sure...

Posted by: mohamad at November 28, 2003 07:53 PM

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The Head Mistress did right, she is good ISLAMIC LADY. Covering face is in favour of the girls/woman. Because face the most attractive part of the body, could be the base for the bad thinkings for the persons who have dirty mind. Its part of Islamic culture. ISLAM provide every thing best in favour of the ladies. Stupid people who are talk against Islamic rules, see how they are using their ladies........

Posted by: sa at December 4, 2003 09:29 AM

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"the face is the most attractive part of the body".....!!! well i think it's time for u "sa" to start covering your face when walking in the streets !!!...and for your information and for non muslim people information ,islam has NEVER asked to cover a women or a men's face..so don't mix your middle aged traditions with the rules of islam....

Posted by: mohamad at December 4, 2003 01:23 PM

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wots the point of gettin up in the morning to do your hair and makeup and then go out into the 100 c weather with a f*king flannel rapped round ya face

Posted by: santi at December 9, 2003 12:02 PM

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Ok, ok. If this is "indecent" in Saudi Arabia, then if they had a Playboy over there, do men get hard over a woman willing to bare off her hair? ^_^

Posted by: bomarc218 at December 14, 2003 04:28 PM

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Come on, women here in the u.s. can where a bikini top outside and not get arrested...i think, but the point is, how would these men like it if they had to cover their faces 24/7, and frickin get arrested for not?

Posted by: emily at January 6, 2004 04:14 PM

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Hey
well I lived in Saudi Arabia for two years, and in some cases you have to cover your faces as a means of protection because some of the older men there are really perverted. So yeah I could understand this story! BUT These girls would seriously have to be either muslim or americans living in a REALLY strict community. So yeah it seems a little far fetched but it can happen.

Posted by: Heather at January 13, 2004 09:00 AM

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Hey
well I lived in Saudi Arabia for two years, and in some cases you have to cover your faces as a means of protection because some of the older men there are really perverted. So yeah I could understand this story! BUT These girls would seriously have to be either muslim or americans living in a REALLY strict community. So yeah it seems a little far fetched but it can happen.

Posted by: Heather at January 13, 2004 09:00 AM

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I say that to protect the women from the perverted men, the men should lock up thier penises with some kind of device, the women should not have cover their faces because some horny men can practice self control. And besides, all human behavior and beliefs are taught. If Muslim men were not taught to lust after women by looking at their beautiful faces, then this wouldn't even be an issue. Women in the Western world have to cover their breasts because they are considered erotic and thus will excite the lust of society's men. Maybe none of us should have to cover up at all...

Posted by: Mary at January 15, 2004 04:24 PM

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Fuck that if they are fucking ugly they should be coverd up and since they are over there in the middle east then fuck it cover all those fucking sand niggers up!!!!!!

Posted by: Fatback at January 22, 2004 10:05 PM

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Fuck that if they are fucking ugly they should be coverd up and since they are over there in the middle east then fuck it cover all those fucking sand niggers up!!!!!!

Posted by: Fatback at January 22, 2004 10:05 PM

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ok well i think that God gave people a face 4 a pupose. i think that it is wrong 4 only girls 2 wear somethin over their heads. just think of how blessed we r 2 b in a nation that we don't have 2 cover our heads. people under estimate how good we really have it here.

Posted by: jessica at January 24, 2004 05:15 PM

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well, im lucky im not in a islamic-dominated area. that means, people could see my face which could even shame aphrodite. i have the face that will launch a thousand ships.

Posted by: trinity at January 24, 2004 08:19 PM

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Organized Religion Fucking Sucks...and is a crock of shit...all it does is divide people and cause conflict...as does patriotism and nationalism...

Posted by: profpeabody at January 29, 2004 04:28 PM

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this is islam and muslem do that to obey god ......
and u never understand...........shit

Posted by: salam at February 3, 2004 07:57 AM

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Iwould like see picture for saudi sex


Posted by: sex at February 6, 2004 03:01 PM

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ha! another attempt to control people...welcome to the wonderfull world of islam...a so called religion that violently resists independant thought, is anti-women, admires and promotes suicidal murderers to martyrs. Muslims believe that they are god's chosen people while the rest of humanity is the scum of the earth...Long live israel, democracry and justice for all down with fanaticism of any kind...we are all equal...and oh yeah when will the koran be translated into english? Never! because god speaks only in arabic...and his word cannot be translated..these are all lies..to keep muslims dumb and under control...god speaks to all in all languages...therefore language is for men not for god

Posted by: vince at February 7, 2004 08:06 AM

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A. Those people are the friends of Allah who are pious and righteous, fear Him much abstain from all kinds of sins and perform all kinds of goods, and holdfast to the Qur`an and Sunnah.

Q. 7. How do you worship Allah?

A. I worship Allah in a manner in which all my ibadah is dedicated to Him Alone. I do not ascribe anyone with Him in worship.

Q-8. Why did Allah send Messengers?

A. Allah has sent Messengers so that they call the people to worship Him Alone, not ascribing any partner with Him, and in order that mankind should have no plea against Allah.

Q-9 What is the meaning of Islam ?

A. Islam means i.e. submission to Allah with Tawhid .

Q-10 What are the pillars of Istam?

A. 1. Testimony of Faith (There is no true God except Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah )

2. To establish Salat (prayers).

3. To pay Zakat.

4. To observe Saum (fasting) in Ramadan.

5. Hajj (pilgrimage to the Sacred House) if one can afford the journey.

Q-11 What is Iman?

A. Iman (Faith) means to believe in the heart, to confess by the tongue and to act with the parts of the body.

Q-12 Can there be any variation in Iman?

A. By some words and deeds it may increase and by some words and deeds it may decrease.

Q-13 What do you mean by increase and decrease in Iman?

A- Iman (Faith) increases by obedience to Allah and good deeds while it decreases by sins and evil acts.

Q-14 What are the pillars of Iman (Faith)

A. The pillars of Iman are six i.e. to believe in:

1. Allah.

2. His Angels.

3. His Messengers.

4. His Books.

5. The Last Day.

6. Divine Preordainments good or bad.

Q-15 What is Belief in Allah?

A. The Belief in Allahi is that you should believe that Allah is the Sole Creator Sustainer Provider and the One in Whose Hand is the disposal of all affairs. Everything stands in need of Him, but He stands in need of none. He is the Only One Who is worthy of being worshipped. He has the Best Names and Perfect Attributes.

0-16 Who are the angels?

A. The angels are creatures of light. They are Allah's obedient slaves, they do that which they are commanded and are incapable of disobedience.

Q-17 What do you mean by Belief in the Book and the Messengers?

A. It means that Allah sent the Messengers like Moses, Jesus,Abraham. Noah etc. and sent down the books like the Torah, Injeel, Zaboor (Psalms) etc. to call the people to worship Allah Alone, associating nothing with Him. He sealed (finalized) the Messengers with Prophet Muhammed and abrogated all previous books with the Qur'an. Therefore the worship should be done according to the Qur'an and the Sunnah of the Prophet .

Q-I8 What is meant by Belief in the Last Day?

A. The Belief in the Last Day means to believe that Allah has ordained a fixed term for everything, and a term for this world. He will assuredly raise the dead from their graves and will account for everyone their deeds in this world. On that Day of Resurrection, rewards and punishments will be assigned. Every one will be justly rewarded or punished.

Q-19 What is meant by Belief Preordainment (Qadar)?

A. The Belief in Preordainment (Qadar) means to believe that everything — good or bad — happens or takes place according to what Allah has ordained for it. He has created everything in due proportion.

Q-20 What is the cleaning of "There is no God but Allah"?

A. It means there is no true deity except Allah Alone, Negating all false gods and affirming that Allah is the only true God.

Q-21 What is the meaning of ^Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah"?

A. It means total submission to him in whatever he ordered, and avoiding what he forbade and believing in all those matters he informed us about.

Q-22 What are the conditions of the testimony of Faith?

A. There are seven conditions of the testimony of Faith:

1- Knowledge whick negates ignorance.

2- Certainty which negates doubt.

3- Sincerity and purity of intent which negates Shirk.

4- Truthfulness which negates hypocrisy.

5- Love and devotion which negates disdain of Allah`s religion.

6- Submission which negates disobedince.

7- Acceptance which negates rejection or denial.

Q-23 What is the greatest thing that Allah has enjoined?

A. The greatest thing Allah has enjoined is Tauhid (Monotheism).

Q-24 What is Tauhid (Islamic Monotheism)?

A. Tauhid means declaring Allah to be the only God who deserves to be worshipped in truth and confirming all attributes with which He has qualified Himself or that are attributed to Him by His Messenger .

Q-25 What are the aspects of Tauhid?

A. There are three aspects of Tauhid:

1- Tauhid-ar-Rububiyah.

2- Tauhid-al-Uluhiyah.

3-Tauhid-al-Asma was-Sifat.

Q- 26 What isTauhid-ar-Rububiyah?

A. It is declaring Allah to be One and Unique in His work, Iike creation, sustenance, bringing to life and causing death etc.

Q-27 What is Tauhid-al-Uluhiyah?

A. It is declaring Allah as the Only God to whom all acts worship must be dedicated such salat (prayers), Zakat, Sawm(fasting), supplications vowing etc.

Q-28 What isTauhid-al-Asma was-Sifat?

A. It is an affirmation of all the Divien Names and Attributes of Allah in a manner that

suits His Majesty, as mentioned in the Qur'an and the Sunnah.

Q-29 How would you describe Ibadah?

A. It is a comprehensive word comprising deeds and words that Allah loves and is pleased with whether manifested or hidden,

Q-30 What are the conditions of Ibadah?

A. There are two conditions of Ibadah:

1. Sincerity to Allah.

2. Submission to Allah's Messenger i.e. to act according to his Sunnah.

Q-31 Write some types of Ibadah.

A. Some types of Ibadah are the prayers, the obligatory charity,

fasting, the pilgrimage, fear of Allah, hope in His Mercy, Seeking His aid. and other acts of worship which Allah has commanded and enjoined.

Q-32 What is the greatest thing Allah has forbidden?

A. The greatest thing Allah has forbidden is Shirk (polytheism).

Q-33 What is polytheism?

A. It means to believe that there is one who shares Allah in His acts i.e. ascribing partners or setting up rivals to Allah in His rights.

Q-34 What are the types of polytheism?

A. There are three types of polytheism:

1. The greater polytheism (Shirk Akbar).

2. The lesser polytheism (Shirk Asghar).

3. The inconspicuous polytheism (Shirk Khafi).

Q-35 What is greater polytheism?

A. The greater polytheism is to devote any form of worship to other than Allah Allah will never forgive one who dies upon Shirk,nor accept his good deeds, and he would be cast out from the folds of Islam.

Q-36 What are the types of greater polytheism?

A. There are four types of greater polytheism:

1- The polytheism in invocation i.e. involving supplications to other than Allah.

2. The polytheism in intentions i.e. purpose and intentions not for the sake of Allah but directed towards other deities.

3, The polytheism in obedience i.e. rendering obedience to any authority against the Order of Allah.

4. The potytheism in love i.e showing love to others which is due to Allah Alone.

Q-37 What is lesser polytheism?

A. The lesser polytheism is Ar-Riya, that means the acts of worship done to gain praise or fame rather than to please Allah, this type of polytheism, however, does not cast the person committing it out of the fold of Islam.

Q-38 What is inconspicuous polytheism?

A. The inconspicuous polytheism implies being dissatisfied with the conditions ordained by Allah.

Q-39 What is the proof of the inconspicuous polytheism?

A.The proof of the above Shirk is the saying of the Prophet "The inconspicuous polytheism is more hidden among this nation than the track of a black ant over a black stone on a dark night" (Musnad Ahmad)

Q-40 What are the types of Kufr (disbelief)?

A. There are two types of Kufr :

1. The majorKufr which cast its people out of Islam,

2. The lessor cr minor Kufr which does not cast the one who commits it out of Islam. It is Kufr of ungratefulness.

Q-41 What are the types of major Kufr?

A. There are five types of major Kufr :

1. The Kufr of denial.

2. The Kufr of arrogance associated with recognition of the truth.

3. The Kufr of doubt.

4-. The Kufr of disregard,

5. The Kufr of hypocrisy.

Q-42 What are the categories of hypocrisy ?

A. There are two categories of hypocrisy:

1. Hypocrisy in Belief.

2. Hypocrisy in deeds and actions.

Q-43 What is the hypocrisy in Belief?

A. Hypocrisy in Belief is of six types:

1. Denial of the Messenger .

2. Denial of the thing with which the Messenger is sent.

3. Hating the Messenger

4.Hating the thing with which the Messenger is sent.

5. Rejoicing at the disgrace of Islam.

6. Disliking the prevalence of Islam.

Q-44 What is the hypocrisy in deeds and actions?

A. The hypocrisy in deeds and actions is of five types:

1- When he speaks, he lies.

2- When he promises., he breaks it.

3. When he is entrusted, he betrays.

4. When he disputes, he acts immorally.

5. When he makes a pact, he makes acts treacherously.

Q-45 Are good deeds accepted (by Allah) with the polytheism?

A. Never! None of the deeds are accepted when mixed with polytheism.

Allah says: " If they had joined in worship others with Allah all that they used to do would have been of no benefit to them" (V.6: 88)

"Verily! Allah forgives not setting up partners in worship with Him, but He forgives whom He pleases sins other than that" '(V.4:116)

Q-46 What are the nullifiers of Islam?

A. The nullifiers of Islam are ten:

1. Polytheism of worship.

2. He who does not believe that the polytheists are disbelievers, or doubts their infidelity or holds their belief to be valid.

3. He who sets up intermediaries between one's self and Allah, supplicating them, trusting them and asking them to intercede on his behalf.

4. He who believes that the guidance of others is more perfect than the Prophet .

5. He who hates anything that the Prophet was sent with.

6. He who denies the religion of the Prophet or ridicules its reward or punishment.

7. Sorcery.

8. Supporting the polytheists against the Muslims.

9. He who believes that some people are exempted from abiding by the Shari`ah as Khidr was exempted by the laws of Musa.

10. Turning away from the religion of Allah by neither learning nor applying it.

Q- 47 What are the three fundamentals that every Muslim must learn?

A. The three fundamentals are:

I, Knowing Your Rubb (the Lord, the Creator, the Sustainer, and the One in Whose Hand is the disposal of all affairs).

2. Knowing your religion (Islam).

3. Knowing your Prophet Muhammad

Q-48 What is Taghut?

A. Everything that is worshipped. or followed or obeyed other than Allah is Taghut.

Q-49 How many Taghut are there and who are their leaders?

A. They are many but their leaders are Five:

Q. 50-Who are the leaders of Taghut ?

A. They are:

1. Satan, may Allah curse him,

2. Anyone who is worshipped with his consent.

3. A person who calls the people to be worshipped instead of Allah.

4. A person who claims the knowledge of Ghaib (unseen, hidden, invisible, absent etc).

5.The ruler who rules by laws other than the law sent down by Allah

Posted by: Islam at February 7, 2004 11:26 PM

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A. Those people are the friends of Allah who are pious and righteous, fear Him much abstain from all kinds of sins and perform all kinds of goods, and holdfast to the Qur`an and Sunnah.

Q. 7. How do you worship Allah?

A. I worship Allah in a manner in which all my ibadah is dedicated to Him Alone. I do not ascribe anyone with Him in worship.

Q-8. Why did Allah send Messengers?

A. Allah has sent Messengers so that they call the people to worship Him Alone, not ascribing any partner with Him, and in order that mankind should have no plea against Allah.

Q-9 What is the meaning of Islam ?

A. Islam means i.e. submission to Allah with Tawhid .

Q-10 What are the pillars of Istam?

A. 1. Testimony of Faith (There is no true God except Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah )

2. To establish Salat (prayers).

3. To pay Zakat.

4. To observe Saum (fasting) in Ramadan.

5. Hajj (pilgrimage to the Sacred House) if one can afford the journey.

Q-11 What is Iman?

A. Iman (Faith) means to believe in the heart, to confess by the tongue and to act with the parts of the body.

Q-12 Can there be any variation in Iman?

A. By some words and deeds it may increase and by some words and deeds it may decrease.

Q-13 What do you mean by increase and decrease in Iman?

A- Iman (Faith) increases by obedience to Allah and good deeds while it decreases by sins and evil acts.

Q-14 What are the pillars of Iman (Faith)

A. The pillars of Iman are six i.e. to believe in:

1. Allah.

2. His Angels.

3. His Messengers.

4. His Books.

5. The Last Day.

6. Divine Preordainments good or bad.

Q-15 What is Belief in Allah?

A. The Belief in Allahi is that you should believe that Allah is the Sole Creator Sustainer Provider and the One in Whose Hand is the disposal of all affairs. Everything stands in need of Him, but He stands in need of none. He is the Only One Who is worthy of being worshipped. He has the Best Names and Perfect Attributes.

0-16 Who are the angels?

A. The angels are creatures of light. They are Allah's obedient slaves, they do that which they are commanded and are incapable of disobedience.

Q-17 What do you mean by Belief in the Book and the Messengers?

A. It means that Allah sent the Messengers like Moses, Jesus,Abraham. Noah etc. and sent down the books like the Torah, Injeel, Zaboor (Psalms) etc. to call the people to worship Allah Alone, associating nothing with Him. He sealed (finalized) the Messengers with Prophet Muhammed and abrogated all previous books with the Qur'an. Therefore the worship should be done according to the Qur'an and the Sunnah of the Prophet .

Q-I8 What is meant by Belief in the Last Day?

A. The Belief in the Last Day means to believe that Allah has ordained a fixed term for everything, and a term for this world. He will assuredly raise the dead from their graves and will account for everyone their deeds in this world. On that Day of Resurrection, rewards and punishments will be assigned. Every one will be justly rewarded or punished.

Q-19 What is meant by Belief Preordainment (Qadar)?

A. The Belief in Preordainment (Qadar) means to believe that everything — good or bad — happens or takes place according to what Allah has ordained for it. He has created everything in due proportion.

Q-20 What is the cleaning of "There is no God but Allah"?

A. It means there is no true deity except Allah Alone, Negating all false gods and affirming that Allah is the only true God.

Q-21 What is the meaning of ^Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah"?

A. It means total submission to him in whatever he ordered, and avoiding what he forbade and believing in all those matters he informed us about.

Q-22 What are the conditions of the testimony of Faith?

A. There are seven conditions of the testimony of Faith:

1- Knowledge whick negates ignorance.

2- Certainty which negates doubt.

3- Sincerity and purity of intent which negates Shirk.

4- Truthfulness which negates hypocrisy.

5- Love and devotion which negates disdain of Allah`s religion.

6- Submission which negates disobedince.

7- Acceptance which negates rejection or denial.

Q-23 What is the greatest thing that Allah has enjoined?

A. The greatest thing Allah has enjoined is Tauhid (Monotheism).

Q-24 What is Tauhid (Islamic Monotheism)?

A. Tauhid means declaring Allah to be the only God who deserves to be worshipped in truth and confirming all attributes with which He has qualified Himself or that are attributed to Him by His Messenger .

Q-25 What are the aspects of Tauhid?

A. There are three aspects of Tauhid:

1- Tauhid-ar-Rububiyah.

2- Tauhid-al-Uluhiyah.

3-Tauhid-al-Asma was-Sifat.

Q- 26 What isTauhid-ar-Rububiyah?

A. It is declaring Allah to be One and Unique in His work, Iike creation, sustenance, bringing to life and causing death etc.

Q-27 What is Tauhid-al-Uluhiyah?

A. It is declaring Allah as the Only God to whom all acts worship must be dedicated such salat (prayers), Zakat, Sawm(fasting), supplications vowing etc.

Q-28 What isTauhid-al-Asma was-Sifat?

A. It is an affirmation of all the Divien Names and Attributes of Allah in a manner that

suits His Majesty, as mentioned in the Qur'an and the Sunnah.

Q-29 How would you describe Ibadah?

A. It is a comprehensive word comprising deeds and words that Allah loves and is pleased with whether manifested or hidden,

Q-30 What are the conditions of Ibadah?

A. There are two conditions of Ibadah:

1. Sincerity to Allah.

2. Submission to Allah's Messenger i.e. to act according to his Sunnah.

Q-31 Write some types of Ibadah.

A. Some types of Ibadah are the prayers, the obligatory charity,

fasting, the pilgrimage, fear of Allah, hope in His Mercy, Seeking His aid. and other acts of worship which Allah has commanded and enjoined.

Q-32 What is the greatest thing Allah has forbidden?

A. The greatest thing Allah has forbidden is Shirk (polytheism).

Q-33 What is polytheism?

A. It means to believe that there is one who shares Allah in His acts i.e. ascribing partners or setting up rivals to Allah in His rights.

Q-34 What are the types of polytheism?

A. There are three types of polytheism:

1. The greater polytheism (Shirk Akbar).

2. The lesser polytheism (Shirk Asghar).

3. The inconspicuous polytheism (Shirk Khafi).

Q-35 What is greater polytheism?

A. The greater polytheism is to devote any form of worship to other than Allah Allah will never forgive one who dies upon Shirk,nor accept his good deeds, and he would be cast out from the folds of Islam.

Q-36 What are the types of greater polytheism?

A. There are four types of greater polytheism:

1- The polytheism in invocation i.e. involving supplications to other than Allah.

2. The polytheism in intentions i.e. purpose and intentions not for the sake of Allah but directed towards other deities.

3, The polytheism in obedience i.e. rendering obedience to any authority against the Order of Allah.

4. The potytheism in love i.e showing love to others which is due to Allah Alone.

Q-37 What is lesser polytheism?

A. The lesser polytheism is Ar-Riya, that means the acts of worship done to gain praise or fame rather than to please Allah, this type of polytheism, however, does not cast the person committing it out of the fold of Islam.

Q-38 What is inconspicuous polytheism?

A. The inconspicuous polytheism implies being dissatisfied with the conditions ordained by Allah.

Q-39 What is the proof of the inconspicuous polytheism?

A.The proof of the above Shirk is the saying of the Prophet "The inconspicuous polytheism is more hidden among this nation than the track of a black ant over a black stone on a dark night" (Musnad Ahmad)

Q-40 What are the types of Kufr (disbelief)?

A. There are two types of Kufr :

1. The majorKufr which cast its people out of Islam,

2. The lessor cr minor Kufr which does not cast the one who commits it out of Islam. It is Kufr of ungratefulness.

Q-41 What are the types of major Kufr?

A. There are five types of major Kufr :

1. The Kufr of denial.

2. The Kufr of arrogance associated with recognition of the truth.

3. The Kufr of doubt.

4-. The Kufr of disregard,

5. The Kufr of hypocrisy.

Q-42 What are the categories of hypocrisy ?

A. There are two categories of hypocrisy:

1. Hypocrisy in Belief.

2. Hypocrisy in deeds and actions.

Q-43 What is the hypocrisy in Belief?

A. Hypocrisy in Belief is of six types:

1. Denial of the Messenger .

2. Denial of the thing with which the Messenger is sent.

3. Hating the Messenger

4.Hating the thing with which the Messenger is sent.

5. Rejoicing at the disgrace of Islam.

6. Disliking the prevalence of Islam.

Q-44 What is the hypocrisy in deeds and actions?

A. The hypocrisy in deeds and actions is of five types:

1- When he speaks, he lies.

2- When he promises., he breaks it.

3. When he is entrusted, he betrays.

4. When he disputes, he acts immorally.

5. When he makes a pact, he makes acts treacherously.

Q-45 Are good deeds accepted (by Allah) with the polytheism?

A. Never! None of the deeds are accepted when mixed with polytheism.

Allah says: " If they had joined in worship others with Allah all that they used to do would have been of no benefit to them" (V.6: 88)

"Verily! Allah forgives not setting up partners in worship with Him, but He forgives whom He pleases sins other than that" '(V.4:116)

Q-46 What are the nullifiers of Islam?

A. The nullifiers of Islam are ten:

1. Polytheism of worship.

2. He who does not believe that the polytheists are disbelievers, or doubts their infidelity or holds their belief to be valid.

3. He who sets up intermediaries between one's self and Allah, supplicating them, trusting them and asking them to intercede on his behalf.

4. He who believes that the guidance of others is more perfect than the Prophet .

5. He who hates anything that the Prophet was sent with.

6. He who denies the religion of the Prophet or ridicules its reward or punishment.

7. Sorcery.

8. Supporting the polytheists against the Muslims.

9. He who believes that some people are exempted from abiding by the Shari`ah as Khidr was exempted by the laws of Musa.

10. Turning away from the religion of Allah by neither learning nor applying it.

Q- 47 What are the three fundamentals that every Muslim must learn?

A. The three fundamentals are:

I, Knowing Your Rubb (the Lord, the Creator, the Sustainer, and the One in Whose Hand is the disposal of all affairs).

2. Knowing your religion (Islam).

3. Knowing your Prophet Muhammad

Q-48 What is Taghut?

A. Everything that is worshipped. or followed or obeyed other than Allah is Taghut.

Q-49 How many Taghut are there and who are their leaders?

A. They are many but their leaders are Five:

Q. 50-Who are the leaders of Taghut ?

A. They are:

1. Satan, may Allah curse him,

2. Anyone who is worshipped with his consent.

3. A person who calls the people to be worshipped instead of Allah.

4. A person who claims the knowledge of Ghaib (unseen, hidden, invisible, absent etc).

5.The ruler who rules by laws other than the law sent down by Allah

Posted by: Islam at February 7, 2004 11:26 PM

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I don't think we are better than them , all what we care about is money . beer , sex , and guest what we go to the church sunday's morning ,
so before we judge thier religion let judge ourselves and read about our religion been an assholes americans .

Posted by: Max at February 7, 2004 11:32 PM

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I don't think we are better than them , all what we care about is money . beer , sex , and guess what we go to the church sunday's morning ,
so before we judge thier religion let judge ourselves and read about our religion been an assholes americans .

Posted by: Max at February 7, 2004 11:32 PM

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islam is a religion of hatred and intolerance...it does not promise heaven to anyone except suicide martyrs. it encourage people not to think but to obey without question...below are the true pillars of islam
as i see them...the quran is not perfect word of god it was written by different people and is based on different interprations of the word of the illerate prophet mohammed...the quran was written after mohammed's death and in arabic
which is not the perfect language of god...yet the quaran can never be translated because it's perfect...right!!! ha ha

the hadiths are a joke...read them

satan is in your nose....
jews are rats and pigs
a muslim cannot play chess
or sell a dog or a cat..a giant camel prophet..
during sex if the woman reaches climax first the baby will look like her..90 foot adam...non muslims have 7 intentines...etc.
what a bunch of BS lies
and funny ones too

the real pillars of islam

1. though shall not do anything except what the imam tells you to do

2. though shall not give women equal rights

3. though shall be violent towards anyone that disagree with your religion

4 though shall hate jews because they are jews

5 though shall use palestine as an excuse to commit mass murder

6 though can kill an infidel without any justificiation

7 though can blame all problems of islamic states on america and the jews


allah is a lie
just like jesus
just like any religion
all lies

designed to control people and divide and kill people

Posted by: vince at February 9, 2004 07:57 PM

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Rags on their heads or rags over their faces. Who gives a rat's ass about Islamic assholes who will grow up to be terrorist baby killers?

Posted by: howie feltersnatch at February 10, 2004 07:38 PM

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i am from saudi arabia

i am 17 years

i am love islam

palestine ours

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http://www.islamworld.net/

http://www.islamonline.net/english/index.shtml

http://www.islam-qa.com/
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Posted by: saudiboy at February 17, 2004 09:29 AM

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I'm from kuwait which is near Saudia n I think its bullshit, God never said cover ur face or go 2 hell!
Saudi ppl are over protective, over religious and are exceedin the limit of being stupid
my comments ~1~

Posted by: SinChyld at February 19, 2004 02:13 PM

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I'm from kuwait which is near Saudia n I think its bullshit, God never said cover ur face or go 2 hell!
Saudi ppl are over protective, over religious and are exceedin the limit of being stupid
my comments ~1~

Posted by: SinChyld at February 19, 2004 02:13 PM

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Well if its one of God's Teachings to cover your face - Why dont the men go around with their faces hidden? This is a classic example of men trying to control women and justifing it through religion. In Saudi Arabia women are forbidden to drive cars! BUT- There is nothing in Islamic religious texts to state that women cant do this, BECAUSE CARS WEREN'T INVENTED. I think its terrible that these girls were punished for exposing their faces, whilst the men walk around like that everyday. I think its disgusting.

Posted by: M at February 23, 2004 05:21 AM

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Ok to the 10 or so people above who were so quick to point out "God gave you a face so you should show it", may i just point out what hypocrits you all are! By that logic, God gave you penises, vaginas and breasts, so you should show them, right? See how far you get walking around butt-naked in downtown New York. And when you get arrested, just imagine all those tribal people in the amazon that walk around naked all the time laughing at your stupid american laws!

In my opinion forcing women to cover their faces isn't fair, but i'm tolrrant enough to say people are entitled to their beliefs, and ridiculing them just because they are different is the sort of ignorance that helped the nazis gain power. This sort of one-sided thinking is what terrorism is made of. Fanatics see things in black and white. So everyone that's ridiculing the sauids without knowing or understanding ANYTHING about their culture or religion, YOU are the kind of people that lead to wars, terrorism and the perpetuaion of ignorance and hatred.

And Saudi Boy, well done for trying to explain your beliefs to others. But it seems most of the people here are too closed-minded to listen to a word you are saying.

Posted by: Think B4 U Speak at February 28, 2004 07:49 AM

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I think that Saudi Boy can talk about a part of the society he lives in, and that the beliefs that he has don't represent the whole society. I am a Saudi who believes that women should not cover their face, should have equal rights with men, should be allowed to drive and get all the rights they are seeking. I express my opinion everywhere on the net and I am always arguing people with wahabist views in Saudi. I think what that headmistress done is a complete act of stupidity and it shouldn't be happening. But some of the repliers blamed islam for that, while Islam doesn't mention at all that women have to cover their face. Also, stating invented HADITH by one of the repliers is not the right way to convince people.

Posted by: Slim_C at March 2, 2004 02:33 PM

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I camt believe the people that agree with the head scarve thingys. Women should have the right to show their faces whenever they want, it's "their" faces! I think they should just say &#*! it and go ahead and take em off.

Posted by: BossMarihoochie at March 9, 2004 05:50 PM

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I camt believe the people that agree with the head scarve thingys. Women should have the right to show their faces whenever they want, it's "their" faces! I think they should just say &#*! it and go ahead and take em off.

Posted by: BossMarihoochie at March 9, 2004 05:50 PM

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these saudi are ignorant and crazy. they dont have any equal mind.they just think they are very good and very religious. but they are wrong about it. specially muttawa

Posted by: jj at March 19, 2004 01:26 AM

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I think women should cover their faces ..it gives them a perfect picture ..besides ,a woman face should b seen by her husband only ..and listen to those women who cover faces ,they feel something special ..and thanks GOD they are increasing in our countries ..May GOD bless everyone seeking faith and religion .

Posted by: Ahmed at March 22, 2004 10:35 AM

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Everyone is missing the point...

There is no god and therefore everyone is wasting their time on all this bullshit!..

Poor girls for growing up in such a fundementally religious place/time. Remember america has not always been the land of the free... australia was not always white... and canadians werent always assholes...

Posted by: wisevery1sodum? at March 24, 2004 12:24 AM

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They found thousands of Arabs in mass graves in Iraq. Know what that is? A GOOD START!!!HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Fuck the Palistinians. They don't have the hair to take on the Israeli military so they fuckin bomb nursery schools. dog-fuckin dick lickin cowards

Posted by: howie feltersnatch at March 25, 2004 04:28 PM

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dun know wat 2 say, well, trust me -- even da barbie dolls in Saudi Arabia hav to fully cover up!!! poor women there!!

Posted by: kk at April 15, 2004 03:08 AM

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One has to respect the laws of the country one lives in. If covering the face and head is the law then everyone should obey it. Those that do not want to follow those laws should not stay there. Is it the same in the western world. France just kicked some moslem priest because the priest said something which may be part of his religion that frenchmen did not like.

We have to start respecting other people's view, if someone could prove that their religion is the absolute truth then everyone would follow the same religion.

Let's start tolerating each others view points.

John

Posted by: John Davis at April 22, 2004 07:59 PM

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hello folks!!!
quite interesting discussion going on here.......yummmyyyyyy......i always love to disgrace n make fun of these stupid saudis n their stupid traditions(wait a min....but how can u disgrace them bcoz in order 2 disgrace someone he must have a respected reputation in 1st place....which these saudis dont have..hahahahhah)
i am a paksitani n muslim but unfortunately i was born in saudia arabia(DAMMAM) n i still regret that,though it wasn,t my fault...but i really feel ashamed 2 tell someone that i was born in that God forsaken country...
i have read the comments from this nice fellow "SAUDIBOY" n i feel sorry 4 morons like him,bcoz of whose fundamentalism, islam is facing humiliation after humiliation everyday....bcoz of these ppl who apparently live in 21st century but have intellect of cavemen,in their eyes the prominent features of islam are just HIJAB,MISWAK n declaring so called JIHAD againt countries which can obliterate ur fragile arab nation with fuckin oil based oconomies in a single day.....if u wanna commit suicide then do that,don,t make JIHAD an excuse.......
to me religion must be a personel matter it should never be controlled by state...this stupid person is talking about security n respect which HIJAB(another thing i am not against HIJAB,if any woman want to wear it,its ok,but she shouldn,t be forced to do so)gives to a saudi woman from the natural desires of saudi MEN...hahah.....plz u arabs tell us something about the HAREMS ur authoritarian kings have with hundreds of women...do they get the respect n security from ur king,s crotch!!!!!!another thing ur assholes princes n government officials regularly come 2 visit pakistan,s southern desert areas apparently to hunt deers n other animals but actually they hunt poor tribal women to fulfill their libido.....
n the "SCHOLARLY" guy(who is i think still an INFANT) who said that covered women(wearing HIJAB)r increasing in KSA n he is happy with that,CORRECTION.....they r not increasing by their will but with men,s will..if they dont wear hijab they will be prosecuted....u r not giving them any option.....all options r 4 u.......i know its no use to teach anything new 2 u stupid saudis bcoz u know nothing else than religion.....in ur whole lives u have never studied any book rather than QURAN....u have no vision no mind set just plain single track mind morons...
i was stunned when i 1st came 2 know that saudi women aren,t allowed 2 drive...god sake!!!what is this?ISLAM?this discrimination is just like the APARTHEID plicy of south africe n she was thrown out of commonwealth n was barred from taking part in any sports event at international level untill nelsom mandela came 2 power......the same is happening in KSA at the worst level.....n u want to know that why there r no voices againt ur human right violations bcoz fortunately u have 25% of world,s crude oil n without that industries n military hardware would come to a standstill everywhere in the world,thats why, if u didn,t have that UN,USA n EUROPE would have long ago thrown u out of UN,OPEC,n every country would have broken off diplomatic ties with u.
there is another interesting fact about arabs......ever wonder that why were all 124,000 prophets n messengers of God were send in arab regions(particularly KSA,palestine n egypt)n nowhere else???bcoz since the birth of human civilisation in this area arabs have been morally n socialy in the deep of the lowest level of filth n stupidity(n they still r)so God sent prophets to get them out of this aweful slumber but they still need a loads of prophets to awake them, i am sure.....they think that they have the rich traditions n customs n they r the true bearer of God,s good teaching n they think of saudia arabia as a land of UNIVERSAL BLISS but actually it is the land of UNIVERSAL "piss"...no democracy, no constitution no human rights at all,bcoz there aren,t any human in KSA there r just objects n still then they don,t stand against there totalitarian king(ASS HOLE FAHD)the only country in the world today which bare women from casting their vote...
n these ppl r making ISLAM their bait 4 their sick minds.....try 2 understand u saudis u,ll remain stuck in this pitt unless u seperate religion from politics n start thinking of women as human beings not as objects........
i also feel sorry 4 those non muslim westerns who disgrace prophet Muhammed n God particularly VINCE named guy who made HADITHS himself,VINCE u should be ashamed of urself,did u ever saw a muslim making funny n disgusting remarks about christianity n JESUS?? ...look even if u r ATHEIST,even then u shouldn,t make fun of any religion n beliefs...i am a muslim but i would never say such a nasty words againt JESUS,MOSES or any other religion....be tolerant n plz try to end this mindless hostility betwenn muslim n christian civilisation.....
n my piece of advise to saudis forget about past n absolute monarchy(make it constitutional monarchy)n look forward 2 future as a progressive n broad minded ppl n plz study something else than just QURAN...u should better know about history,economics,international realtions n sociology,religion alone won,t be able 2 make u a respected member of world community....byeee.
ANJUM from PAKISTAN...
send comments(if u have any) to: ANJUM_NICEGUY@HOTMAIL.COM
ACHABACHA4202002@YAHOO.COM

Posted by: anjum at April 23, 2004 08:23 AM

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cut the crap yo, ain't nuttin wrong wit being born in Saudia or being a muslim or being an arab.
Its simple minded fuckin paki's like u that shouldn't talk.
I'm against all that face coverin shit but let them do wut they wanna do. Did comment bout chinese n japenese mufuckaz when they eat monkeys brains, fish sperm or dead babies ?
yeh arabs & islam is gettin loathed more everyday for the doings of 5 or 6 ppl.
Pac said he isn't responsible for the doings or every blackman, so are arabs responsible for the actions of 6 ugly ass mufuckaz ?
Christians are even worse than arabs! fuckin hypocrits sin 6 days a week n get religious for an hour then go back to sinning
I'm a muslim, I believe in god but I'm still the Chyld Of Sin!!!!!

Posted by: SinChyld at April 23, 2004 02:23 PM

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well SINCHYLD!!!!!!
u really sound like a child......hahahha.....u stupid kid i ain,t talking about eating monkeys n frogs....thats has nothing 2 do with current muslim prob!!!!!if they eat such things they do it in front of all....
but ppl like u r hypocartes(n who the hell r u to comment about FUCKIN PAKI life,what do u know about us at all????n by the way i didn,t say that there is something wrong with being a MUSLIM...thats ur own interpretation n ur inferiority complex!!!!) who r showing the world that they have the perfect ideal muslim society but u ppl stink like bullshit....
ppl like u r to the extreme of irationality...who stab in the back bcoz u dont have the BALLS 2 do that openly!!!!
these arab assholes on one side lick USA,s ASS n on other hand bomb USS COLE....this is hypocrisy.....
u dont have any reasonable comments u just came n threw some svere words..thats all u know....1st reach the age,where u can undersatnd world politics n how 2 find solutions n gain some INTELLECT.....then come here n discuss...sinCHYLD....
i would like 2 discuss this with some ADULT not with a CHYLD!!!!!!!!!
c ya......

Posted by: anjum at April 24, 2004 12:42 AM

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ohhhh dear CHLYD!
u r from kuwait......i forgot that.....atleast pay saome respect to PAKSITAN,dont remeber, we were the members of international peacekeepers in 1st gulf war n we helped a lot to repait ur damaged "KUWAAITI ASS" when it was ravaged by iraq.....hahahha.....u seeme really angry ,but believe me it was my 1st INTENTION to remind u who u arabs really r....n to tell u that either GROW UP or remain in the line,in which u have been since the fall of OTTOMAN EMPIRE.....u ppl have the largest reserves of oil in the whole world but u have no place in world community...if some country shows u eyes u have to beg 4 other nation,s(u can,t even defend ur ass) help n after that u couldn,t even get them out of ur "SOVEREIGN" country..other countries only pat on ur ASS bcoz they want ur oil..once its finished u,ll be again like a sack of shit......n all of u will be again using using CAMELS(AGAIN) instead of cars for transportation...tell me something honestly!!!! when u see other nation,forget about other look to ur neighbour TURKEY...when u see democracy,freedom of speech n expression n pluralism there n when u see stupid absolute monarchis n women being treating like pets don,t u feel inferiority complex????????sure u do....c ya......

Posted by: anjum at April 24, 2004 12:57 AM

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hey guys where r all of u??????come on.....throw some more dirt on these filthy saudis.....

Posted by: anjum at April 25, 2004 12:41 AM

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I have the solution for the violence in the Middle East. We should arm everyone from Egypt to Afghanistan with the exact same weapons. They are so violent and unconcerned about murdering each other, the rest of the world could just sit back and watch them kill each other off.

Oh, yeah. The coward Palestinians would not do this--they never attack in the open like men. But maybe we could point out some nursery schools they could bomb.

Posted by: howie feltersnatch at April 25, 2004 09:33 AM

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hahah......howie thank 4 adding some humour in this issue......but these ppl should be reminded their true place in world......so either they change their middle ages kind of stupid tradition or go live in caves....agitation isn,t the answer 2 any prob but reconciliation n negotiation....violence only leads to violence....well HOWIE call as many ppl here as u can.....n if they r ARABS.....yummmmyyyy that more better....

Posted by: anjum at April 26, 2004 07:26 AM

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I wish I could wearing 'hejab'!
Knowing that everybody like me because of my appearance insted of my inner beauty keeps me away from them.Their way of thinking(in all arabian countries)is way better than our.And I thing that,like that is easyer to touch the real love.I especially would like to follow theyr rules!

Posted by: Milena at April 26, 2004 10:56 AM

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well milena!
thats the whole point.....that if u wanna wear that so it should be ur choice!!!!but these narrow minded ppl have madfe laws which bare women from not taking off their VEIL....as they r not human beings n they don,t deserve some basic human rights....in todays age women r prime ministers n on the highest posts of government but these ppl r still stuck in 10th century.....whats the point of not allowing to drive in saudia arabia??????can any saudi answer that logically????anyone???they can,t bcoz they r all chauvanistic fools!!!!!well i haven,t heard any christian woman before who wants to wear hijab..interesting....

Posted by: anjum at April 26, 2004 11:55 AM

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Ok Anjum,
You are right! I know well the rules in countries like S.Arabia.I have read many books about problems of arabian women.I have seen films.....
But Islam is very pure religion and there is no connection between Islam and arabian laws.
Listen....I sad that I would like to wear 'hijab' ,But nobody knows if I will support that opinion after my experience of covering my face.I mean that the problem is not if women like to wear 'hejab',the problem is what behaviour men have,and the laws as I sad.
Dont judge them....for themselfs they are right.They have grown like that,and cant understand for what we are tolking about.
For them we are wrong.
....For sure in the future I will make a film about women in Islam.....

Posted by: Milena at April 27, 2004 10:09 AM

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milena!
u have only read books n seen movies but i was born in saudi arabia.....n i know what is political culture there n that saudi women got no opportunities....i only care about that issue that bcoz of these ppl reat of world think of muslims as some barbarians who use women like objects...if we can protest against south africa,s aparteid policy so why not KSA?????even it was different in SA,the discrimination was against another race but here in KSA they r exploiting n manipulating their own women(the same race)whats more pathetic than that?i am not talking about western media,i have read articles of saudi authors n columnists n i was stunned......satrting a business is another issue 4 a woman but u,ll be surprised that if any saudi woman inherets even multi million dollar corporation,she can,t run it at her own,saudi law bounds her 2 hire a MALE guardian or agent 2 run her business on her behalf so that means she is an employee of her own corporation....saudi girl can,t take participation ina ny sporting activity in schools n colleges....
if they have grown like that so then they must change by the passage of time...USA wasn,t always free but now black ppl there have equal rights as any white one....why r these suadis subjugating their women...the prob isn,t with islam,prob is with their interpretation of islam ..which is misinterpretation....n we need 2 remind them that whats wrong n what right.....religion is a private matter a personel one....state must never regulate laws to impose it....n their r many other issues 2 like christians n jews in KSA can,t worship openly they can,t make churches n synogogues...thats opression n aparthied of KSA....n when u make a movie plzzzzzz hire me as a screenplay writer,i won,t disappoint u......hahahah

Posted by: anjum at April 27, 2004 11:59 PM

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no arab hasn,t yet explained the positive point of the law,which bare saudi women from driving!!!

Posted by: anjum at April 28, 2004 12:01 AM

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Hello Anjum,
Hey are you from S.A. ?...Coz your way of thinking is not ususal for arabian person.
Ok I dont want to chage your mind.I respect your opinion.
Hey Anjum,have you talked with arabian women,have you asked them if they like that?Maybe they are ok,coz they have grown with that.
Probably you have girl friend ok.Would you like she to have lover (as many europian or american women)...or every time when she goes out,some stupid boys to try to talk to her.
When that happen to me,I feel like b..ch!
About the film that I sad,I m not joking.But tell me,are you working in film industry?

Posted by: Milena at April 29, 2004 09:13 AM

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hi milena!
no i have told before that i am pakistani....but my father used to work in saudi arabia in an chevorlet company so i was born there....come on be reasonable......how could it be ok with them......do u want someone to held ur basic human right????sure u don,t!!!!no i haven,t talk with any saudi woman coz i came back 2 pakistan when i was just 1.....but i have met ppl who used 2 live in KSA n thats enough 2 understand that.....how can a country become progressive n developed when its 50% population is IDLE....in todays world no theocratic country has any respect,only respect they got is 4 their oil n i have told u what will happen when its gone......whatever u think but i won,t like my GF or wife(i have neither of them yet....hahahha)to cover them with some cloath...they r human beings not an object which should be guarded.....n bcoz of veil men dont honour women.....i have told u the mentality n instincts of arabs..like for what they come to pakistan,s desert areas n about their HAREMS.....if saudi women,s lips r sealed then we should become their voice,atleast give them a chance,ask them what they want?
by the way u r defending these arab traditions...r u arab?
hahah....no i dont work in show biz i am still a political science student.....

Posted by: anjum at April 30, 2004 12:38 AM

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k MILENA!
lets pretend just 4 a while.....that saudi women want 2 be covered n they want no governmental posts 4 them.....if they already accept this....then tell me why is the need of these laws?????no dear!its now understood that they want 2 compete with men in every field as other women do of other nation.....its evident by these 17 girls who took off their HIJAB...its evident from this that if a single lock of hair slips through their veil they r taunted n warned..isn,t it understood???
another thing.....can u name a single saudi or kuwaiti woman,who is famous all around the globe???from every other country there r some women renowned world wide bczo of their excellence in their profession.....they r actresses,politicians,columinists,human right activists,singers n sports women.....is there any woman from KSA recognised from one of these fields????how is it possible that no saudi woman want 2 be independent of this slavery 0f 21st century!!!!!
n what u said about that how u feel when some street guy bothers u...well dear!u shouldn,t feel bad about u bcoz its that guy who is showing his sick mind n awful nature.....he should think of him being like a dog......u shouldn,t feel negative about urself if some moron do something 2 u which u do,t want.....
VEIL dont give women respect n previlige(atleast in todays age) but inferiority complex....what give them repect is......when they compete with their male counter parts shoulder 2 shoulder in every field,without any restriction imposed on them....they r no candy to be wrapped around!!!!
its so unfortunate that not only western countries but muslim ones (even my country)dont talk about saudi human rights violations just bcoz of their oil....if i become PM of pakistan,4 sure,the 1st thing i,ll do.....breaking off diplomatic ties with KSA....
take care....byee

Posted by: anjum at April 30, 2004 07:19 AM

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Hello Anjum,
by the way is it your real name?
...coz it is very nice.
Ok...I told you you are right for everything but why you dont talk about marriege in Pakistan,and human right of your women?
Do you know what....I have very good friends in Karachi.One of that girls (Sabeen)got married on Jan. Do you know what made me go crazy?That she met her husband in the day of the marriege!!!
What is yoiur opinion about that?
Also I want to go to North Karachi but to be honest....I am afaraid,coz I dont know your lows.I think some of the ruls are like the arabian.
Ok ,take care of you...

Posted by: Milena at April 30, 2004 10:05 AM

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hello milena!
yes ANJUM is my real name....it means STAR!!!but i dont like it too much coz it doesn,t give any clue of my gender(girls here r also named so !)....thanks 4 acknowledging my arguments......
i was expecting u 2 ask me about human rights in pakistan...well 1st thing i wanna explain....there isn,t even 1% similarity between pakistan n KSA,s political,cultural n social infrastructures..we r in totaly another wavelength...they r running absolute manorchy,which is the worst n most corrupt form of government n state..
u think women r oppressed here......well 2 some extent u r right,i agree....coz pakistan is still a developing nation n due to low literacy rate ppl here r still bound 2 old traditions n religious customs....but those ppl mostly belong to small towns n rural areas...about ur friends that she met her husband on her wedding day 1st time!!!!!well arrange marriages r very common here.....but again only in conservative families ....do u know that one woman(Benazir Bhutto)has been prime minister of pakistan,not once but twice...our current education minister is also a woman.....pakistani women r working in every field of pakistan as their male counter parts,in military,civil service,hospitals n police.....there is no law in pakistan which bare women from doing anything they want 2....they were enfranchised as soon as pakistan got its independence in 1947,they can stand 4 any governmental or civil post...(n ofcourse they can drive n fly whatever they want 2..hahahah)
i accept that there r still some problems relating women,s rights but those r strictly affiliated with families n individuals not pakistani government or constitution....saudi law openly n clearly impose restrictions on women n designate them as 2nd class citizens...
yes karachi is a volatile city but that concerns with political turmoil there not social or cultural...if u visit lahore or islamabad u,ll find very little difference between these cities and any modern western city....may be ppl r not as advanced n bold as europeans n americans but i think thats good 4 us....coz due to western traditions n too much open culture their women have lost respect n too be honestly(with appologies)also their feminnity n grace....
if the cirumstances here were same as of KSA.....then i couldn,t have muster up courage 2 critcize arabs bcoz that would have made me a double standered guy(who i hope i ain,t)....
u didn,t tell me where r u from?
take care.....byeeeeeee

Posted by: anjum at May 1, 2004 11:45 AM

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i think RUKMINI is an indian name?isn,t it?

Posted by: anjum at May 1, 2004 11:37 PM

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Yes,Rukmini is an Indian name,but I am not indian.Originaly I am from Bulgaria,but last 3 years I am studing in Greece (film directing).
Hey Anjum,I want to talk with you about many things,but I think we must shange our mitting point.What do you thing about that?
take care of you, you smart boy....:-)))

Posted by: Milena at May 2, 2004 07:10 AM

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ARGUING ABOUT RELIGION IS SO STUPID!! NOTHING WRONG WITH SHARING YOUR FAITH WITH PEOPLE AT ALL,
FORCING IT DOWN PEOPLE THROATS OUR GETTING KILLED BECAUSE YOU DIDNT OBEY THE QU`RAN!! I DON`T BLAME BUSH
FOR GOING TO WAR IN IRAQ

Posted by: 4-REAL at May 3, 2004 01:40 PM

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hello rukmini!
u r bulgarian but u have indian name....strange?native of bulgaria?
i,ll love 2 change the meeting point but that would still be a virtual one!!!!!.....hahahha.....beside jokes u can add me in ur msn...ok see u ...take care byeeeeee


Posted by: anjum at May 3, 2004 09:50 PM

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i want sex arabic photo and girlfrend from saudi eastern with thanks

Posted by: meer at May 4, 2004 12:16 AM

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hello Mr.real!!!
1st of all i have not said anything contrary or annoying about any religion(go ahead,read my posts) i am not an atheist ok....i belive in god n i respect every religion n every faith...what i am talking about is not religion but the misinterpretation of religion(ISLAM) why dont u just get it???what saudis r doing thats not their or of any muslim,s faith.....that their own self made faith n they r using the name of islam to justify their discriminatory n stone aged traditions n laws regarding women......n being a muslim i,ll be moron enough to share that fake faith n not say anything against that!!!
2nd thing there was no discussion going on about iraq war n Bush!!!!thats the problem with u ....u always pull in religion n USA in every issue n then mislead others from the solution of the real problem....now its 21st century n age of gloabl village u have 2 understand that religion is another issue n politics,government n science r others...we,ll just keep talking about this without any positive n constructive results unless we separate religion from politics n stop using it as a weapon to gain personel interests n oppress ppl....byeeeee

Posted by: anjum at May 4, 2004 03:47 AM

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hello!
so is the discussion over!!!!!so soon????n Miss Rukmini!u have gone too!!!

Posted by: anjum at May 6, 2004 08:19 AM

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hello muslim guy!
1st of all 4 ur information i am a muslim aswell....so whatever u wanna argue about do it here in open.....in front of all ppl not privately....bcoz if u do so thats means that neither can u face the ppl nor can u convince them.......
n take ur time n read the posts above no one did talk about women,s rights in islam....ok????we r talking about rights which arab nations r holding....thats not Islam thats their own self made version of Islam n if they think that circumstances r same as 1400 years ago so i feel sorry 4 them n everyone should do.....
dont talk about west.....if u r an honest person u should be brave enough 2 criticise urself n ur country...whatever women in western nations do they do it by their own will..ok,so its useless 2 talk about that....plzzzzz talk about what saudi women can,t do...they can,t drive,they can,t even get on TV(only their voice comes from behind the camera),its the only country today which bares women from casting their vote......they cant participate in any extra curricural activity in school n colleges...thats the worst kind of discrimination u,ll ever see anywhere against women.....n u r talking about that women r precious n expensive.....hahahha......well my friend u r the one who is presenting them as a product,who needs a wrapper....n if u think that ur middle aged n racist point of view represents all muslims then u r grossly mistaken .....
if some woman doesn,t wear veil or hijab ......so she becomes a pervert????open ur mind a bit.....my sisters dont wear any veil...me or my family wont force them 2 do so coz its their own choice.....dont take them just as WOMEN but also a human being.....n dont say time by time MUSLIM WOMEN ok.....coz in many muslim countries women r equal 2 men......pakistan,indonesia,malaysia,egypt n turkey....women have even been prime ministers in these countries....n what do u give 2 ur women just HIJAB ..let them make their own decisions..so just point towards arab women ok.....we here in this part of world live in the age in which other nation do......n u there in middle east still think that its khilafat rashida or 600 AD .....by the way which country u r from?
byeeeeeee.

Posted by: anjum at May 7, 2004 09:02 AM

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so MUSLIM GUY!
thats all u could say??......is that the best u could do???.....if it is then i feel sorry 4 u that u aren,t even able 2 MISLEAD n MISGUIDE ppl in a convincing n proper manner!!!
if u can,t argue n prove urself right then dont come back in this forum to make fun of women by saying that "THE WOMEN IN MUSLIMS COMMUNITY IS VERY EXPENSIVE AND VERY PREC"(excuseme EXPENSIVE!!!what do u mean by that,do u mean they r some sort of slaves 2 be sold??would u be plzzz kind enough 2 throw some light on that term:"EXPENSIVE"??) n painting a blur n false picture of Islam... by commenting that u r showing them as a product to be sold not western countries....
if u dont have the BALLS 2 answer me then how the hell r u 2 tell other ppl;what Islam is?n about women,s rights?if u can,t even argue with a msulim then how,ll u convince a non-muslim that u r right n just??? u think that by using Islam u can justify this slavery of modern age???u think by using Islam u can justify ur sick mind,which has been infected by the male chauvinism,prejudice n irrationality???tell me did anyone mail u 2 ask about Islam ?????hahahha.....i am sure no one did!!!!coz by ur words it sounded clear that u r another mulsim moron who has nothing 2 say something new...n its quite clear from ur "SOUND JUDGMENTS" n philosophical facts that u belong 2 none other than some arab country!!!!!
n no arab or supporter of their stupid laws has replied me more than once....which shows that how empty n ridiculous ur statments r...its enough of ur bullshit,self made n psycho stories..now accept it at once n plzzzzz try 2 get along with the new world n don,t humiliate n degarde muslims any more...

Posted by: anjum at May 10, 2004 07:46 AM

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I have changed my mind about Arab girls wearing veils--this is a good idea. This is because every time I see the face of one, I want to shove my dick in her mouth. I think this is because they are so damn ugly, I sure as Allah wouldn't want to fuck them. Yuck!

Posted by: howie feltersnatch at May 15, 2004 11:42 AM

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well howie!
if u r a gentleman than u must show some respect to a woman but if u r not i dont blame u....n if u r even doing some blasphemy...i feel sorry 4 u.........

Posted by: anjum at May 15, 2004 12:29 PM

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well howie!
if u r a gentleman than u must show some respect to a woman but if u r not i dont blame u....n if u r even doing some blasphemy...i feel sorry 4 u.........

Posted by: anjum at May 15, 2004 12:30 PM

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ASALAMA ALAIKUM AS I TURN AND ALREADY TWISTED.HOWEVER REALLY TWISTED TO YOU,PEOPLE OF OUR TIME MISUNDERSTOOD ONE THING TIME.......THEN ABOUT FUCK.IN THE WESTERN CIVILIZATION FEMALE ADVERSTISES HER NUDITY BY WEARING A LITTLE TO SAY IAM "AVAILABLE FOR SEX" TO MEN AS WHOLE.
MOTHER TO US ALL MUSLIM FEMALE COVER YOURSELF N BEING WISE.........DIGITISE............IGNORANCE AND ISLAM AS LIGHT,OBVIOUS BEUTY OR HIDDEN UGLINESS..............DIGITISE...........

Posted by: Yusuf Ali at May 16, 2004 08:12 PM

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hello Mr yousaf!!!
i read ur post n i was as much twisted as u were...the topic here is the human rights violations,irrationality n unrealistic attitude which is prevailing in arab nations n even in iran...we r not talking about western countries their women or how they screw other guys n their views about being naked.....ok????read my posts n if u have intellectual capacity of a 5 year old kid,then after that u won,t compare western culture with eastern.....whatever they do i have already siad they do it openly....gays n lesbians dont hide their identitiy,if US president Clinton finds no way to deceive public more about his relation with Monice Lewinsky so he gets on TV(live) n apologises to his nation 4 lying.....atleast they r honest!!!!accept this....i am not defending them i am only showing u the ground reality.....
plzzzzzz dont make Islam an excuse again n again to justify ur male chauvanism n middle aged thinking bcoz u won,t succeed, ppl will laugh at u.....plzzzzz tell us that were these laws made by the consent of majority of women?????....no.....they have no representation in government(nill)so thats impossible....plzzzzz also tell us that only those women who wear veil r decent n honoured....n every other is a jezebel???plzzzzzz also tell us that why the pathetic king of KSA has a harem(with i dont know how many women) so he could screw some women(he must have atleast hundred kids...hahahah)why the saudi princes n officilas come to pakistani deserts apparently to hunt animals but they try their hunting "EXPERTISE" at poor women.....veil doesnt give women the honour n grace,which they deserve but making them important n giving them the right 2 decide....i respect every woman regardless of her clothes bcoz my mind is clear n i have control over my desires....but ppl like u who support women in veil by force,have the real problem...bcoz u cant see any woman,s face without ur mind producing immoral thoughts so thats why u put a space suit on them by force n dont ask them that whether they want it or not....so by doing this u seem to be justifying urself n ur uncontrolable MIND n put every blame on women.....well i feel pity 4 u....if u think that by using ur version of Islam n western culture u can prove urself right,u r wrong....if u think that by trying 2 put a curtain n a fake world on liberal mulsims,s eyes u can blind them from truth n can hide ur apartheid like policies u r grossly mistaken....1st learn 2 criticise urself then judge other cultures n countries...(i am very much sure that like every other person,who was supporting 2 deprive muslim woman of her basic human rights,u too won,t reply 2 me......hahahah)..byeeeee......

Posted by: anjum at May 17, 2004 11:53 AM

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Some People are completely BrainWashed!!Islam another excuse to kill people their really is a devil Mohummad,ALLAH!!! THEY WILL PROBABLY TRACK ME DOWN AND DECAPITATE ME ON THE INTERNET!!! FOR SAYING THIS

Posted by: crazierdinamug at May 18, 2004 04:36 PM

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hi crazzier!
n some ppl have no manners at all...everyone is entitled to his opinion but atleast u should respect other,s opinion as well.....if u dont believe in god,if u r an atheist even then u shouldn,t talk about God or any prophet like this n make fun of them...if u have ever learnt anything in school or college then u must have learnt there that if u want 2 be respected then 2 the same 2 others....in case u didn,t learn anything i don,t blame u....

Posted by: anjum at May 18, 2004 11:54 PM

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i like the system of saudi arabia it has double standard one is for suadi women and other is for foreigners they consider the saudi lady is only lady and other ladies are just animals

Posted by: Hafeezullah at May 27, 2004 12:00 AM

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ok peaople, talking without knowledge is bull shit, and trust me, this world is going to hell because we think we r smart and know everything, but we don't. islam is a great religion, and even in any riligion you want, isn't covering the women's body gives her more respect, dignity and honour? but no one wants to know about any religion particularly " islam ". if we apply islamic rules or any religious rules correctly and exactly as we supposed to, this life will be paradise to us; but we ignore all religious rules and all what we think of is SEX in all means and all ways. and the women who walk in public wearing short tiny reveeling skirts half naked with their nipples showing and their legs spread wide to all male viewers and they don't want to be sexually assaulted or raped. well this is the same for good looking men who try to seduce women and tempt them; we can all get involved in a deep sexual assault simply starting from looks, the eyes that starts the fire and gives the horny sparkles to women and men.
people ; know your religions and comply, or else you'll be fried by hell fire. understand and give yourselves some dignity. i swear animals have more dignity than we do.

Posted by: donjuan; the knight at May 27, 2004 07:48 PM

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hello folks!
yes Haffezullah, u r damn right....these saudis think that only their women,who r forced 2 wear a "SPACE SUIT"(without their will)r pious n honoured women n everyone else is a pervert n a jezebel!!!!but u r wrong when u think that they consider saudi woman as a woman...they don,t....bcoz they think of her as their property...
n Mr.Donjuan!when i read ur post,it was time 4 me 2 laugh n "laugh out loud"...he is taunting us 4 our lack of general knowledge!!!!it seems that this guy is atleast an M.phil or P.hd in history or philosophy....yes u r right this world is going 2 hell but due 2 ppl like u..who always use Islam as a tool 2 justify ur stupid ideas n customs,which have nothing 2 do with Islam...fools like u whose eyes r set on the next world rather than this one,always change the topic n mislead other ppl from the real issue bcoz u have no solution 4 the problem,u can only make it worse n lead the world in general n muslims in particular to the hell on this planet n in the next one....
u said that we r not smart!!!!well if u r smart then do u have the balls n some average mind 2 answer my some question,which i have posted in my above posts.....go ahead n observe,no SMART saudi or his supporter did ever answer me.....n the one who doesn,t continue the dialogue,he is always wrong not me....i have been trying 2 provoke all of u for mone than a month so we can start a constructive dialogue n see things in a 3-D view but u all have proved urself a moron n i have come 2 this strong conclusion that i have been wasting my time with ppl like u.....bcoz its no use 2 teach a old parrot....
the topic is women,s rights violations in KSA n their apartheid like policy..but everyone of u have diverted this topic 2 somewhere else.....some crticise the western traditions n fashion.....like this "SCHOLOR"Donjuan who knows very well that western women wear skirts n mini skirts n how they show their body n tempt men....he knows very well that how sex starts;the fire n the horny sparkles...hahahahah.....u r the one who think of SEX alltime not we....this is how fools like u change the topic.....but remeber one thing;"FOOLS CAN,T MAKE OTHERS FOOL"
if u r that smart n have an immense grasp on general knowledge,so why didn,t u answer my queries??can u explain the logic of not allowing women 2 drive,barring them from casting their vote???u always change the topic so plzzzz let me do the same....why non-muslims r not allowed in Mecca??isn,t it apartheid?????
but i am sure that either u,ll not answer or start the same crap again that what western countries do n about their cloths.....if u dont have the courage 2 crticise urself then dont judge others....ok....everybody knows who is smart u dont have 2 point out,who always show his frustration n inferiority complex who live in a God forsaken country with the fu..ing absolute monarchy n ur addicted 2 sex KING.....byeeee n go read some comics bcoz thats the only thing u can understand,world politics n sociology is a bit too much 4 u!!!!

Posted by: anjum at May 31, 2004 12:42 AM

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seems Mr.Smart guy(Donjuan)has also left me alone here in this forum which inhabits only myself....or may be he has gone 2 consult or hire someone else 2 take his place.....BRAVO all of u....

Posted by: anjum at June 1, 2004 12:56 PM

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well...i wont say im against islam caz i am a muslim
first lemme clear somethings out
islam allowed women to show only their faces
but that was decades ago
i think its fair since the world changed that women should be alowed to show whatever they want.
take for example in uae(united arab emirates) ,,its next to sudi arabia..in the middleeast and women are as equal as men...they can walk around in mini skirts if they wished without anyone bothering them...
also saudi arabia are taking it way too far with their beliefs..im not saying u shouldnt stick to gods words..but by logic humans should realise that theyre not living in the dark ages and should allow change to happen
also about jews and palestine....we arabs believe that palestine is arab land..it belongs to palestinians and israelis are taking over it....jews belive that it was originally their land and they want it back...lets not argue over this point and leave governments solve this problem which i think will never b solved...
also palestinians have no weapons..no army....no military to take on the israeli army man to man..theyre doing their best throwing rocks..they might smuggle weapons at times from neighbouring countries but how much can they smuggle to take on a whole army.... They cant take on the army head on head SO they used a different strategy which is to bomb shopping malls/hositals/homesetc...whatever they can to try to drive the israelis out of their land.......(just think about it ...the israelis are bombing homes every day ...u might not know this...ur media in usa only shows u what they want u to c... the israelis are bombing homes ...they completely destroyed the infrastructure of the palestinian gorvernment.. while no army is stopping them...so is it right for the jews to bomb homes and hospitals and not right for the palestinians to do the same.....every single time the jews bomb a house/hospital/building...they say it was a mistake...and they thought it held a terrorist faction..)

neways getting back to the main point....im against the saudi culture 100% nothing in it is right.. for u americans and for those who dont know anything about the saudi arabia..this is just a few examples of how sick it is there..
**if u steal anything..even an apple,and get caught..they cut your right hand off
**woman have no right,cant show any part of their bodies,cant drive,cant travel except with a relative who by law cant marry her(cant travel with a cuzin),i mean what else is there..a girl in saudi arabia is just there to get married, get fucked and to get kids(sex toy)..end of point
**if a non saudi ever gets in a conflict ,car accident with a saudi ..the saudi is always right...always 100% right..the police will always lstn to the saudi and make him the right one.for some reason...u saudis dont try to go against this point caz i have some australian friends in saudi arabia and they tell me what happens there...
**during hajj(holy time of all muslims) kidnapps take place...kids are kidnapped from their parents and they cut of usually their leg.or try to deform them in some way to use them later on as beggars... (in one case a mom lost her child and 3 yrs after extensive search...she found her child on the street with only one arm and a half burned face begging for money.)

sorry guys for making this long..but i hope u got my point....peace

Posted by: FLipMoDe at June 13, 2004 03:52 PM

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aslamo laykom,
i don't wanna talk too much about islam,but iwanna warn u people coz till the moment you r reading this you've the chance to believe of islam and if u did allah will 4give u and will convert all ur mistakes and you'll go to al ganah in sha'llah.think of death,and what will happen after death.do u think its over?no there is another life and you'll be asked about everything you did in your life.so for those people(not moslim) start from now,read about islam before you died .i don't know you,but i do care about you because allah will ask me in the last day about this.anyone of you wanna ask me about anything in islam he can send to me.
about hejab,if you r not moslim you'll not understand the aim or the point of hejab,but believe me you'll understand if you r moslim.

Posted by: saudi-moslim at June 13, 2004 08:22 PM

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Mr.Flip!
there is no discussion going on here about palestine......ok?????so dont change the topic if u dont know the solutions.....plzzzzzz...
n now Mr.Saudi muslim!
u narrow minded n intellectualy inferior saudis!!!!do u know anything else than diverting the main issue so u can hide ur sick ideas n make Islam an excuse????
1st of all i am a muslim myself but i live in 21st century n i go with the flow not like u little stupid ppl who still think its middle age...n i dont think that u r intellectual enough 2 tell someone about Islam or its idealogy bcoz u saudi dont know it either!!!
yeah i being a muslim still dont understand some stupid n funny laws of ur...plzzzzz be kind enough 2 throw soem light on these issues n enlighten us with ur wisdom n sagacity;

(1)why women aren,t allowed 2 drive in saudi arabia?
(2)why saudi girls can,t participate in any extra curricular activity in school n colleges?
(3)why r saudi women not allowed 2 vote n not 2 take any governmental post?

if u answer it then we,ll see but if u dont then that means u dont have any answer n plz dont tell us any fake stories of ur....

Posted by: anjum at June 15, 2004 01:00 PM

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FROM: MOHAMMED KHAILS
TEL:+27-73-1286641
HONEST PARTNER


ATTN:SIR,

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Because of my father's sincerity he was killed on 14th february,2002,by a planned motor accident along Mashonaland in western Mashona Province of Zimbabwe .The planners of the accident are said to
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Looking forward to hear from you soonest.

Best regards!

MOHAMMED KHAILS

(For the family)

Posted by: MOHAMMED KHAILS at June 20, 2004 09:33 AM

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keeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeefkom

Posted by: mohammadJOR at June 21, 2004 12:08 PM

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this kind of law should be change and those who implement rules that forbids women to expose their face should be thrown back to "STONE AGE"

Posted by: jeoffrey at June 22, 2004 02:11 PM

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well jeoffery!
u dont have 2 throw them back 2 "STONE AGE"...bcoz they r already there!!!!

Posted by: anjum at June 24, 2004 10:35 AM

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i wanna a girl friend from the gulf
any nationality

i'm 19 year's old

Posted by: Mohd at June 24, 2004 11:19 PM

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aslamoalykom,
mr.anjum i said before you'll not or you don't want to understand,but i believe that you'll be sorry about every thing you said....
HOW FOOL THESE MORTALS ARE!

Posted by: saudi-moslim at July 11, 2004 04:09 PM

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waliukumsalam Mr.Saudi muslim!
ok Mr.Socrates....if i dont or dont wanna understand so plzzzzzz would u be kind enough 2 "HELP" me understand???would u???would u be kind enough 2 enlighten me with ur sound judgments n sagacity???i have posted around 20 posts but u couldn,t even muster up courage 2 answer single of them....n now when i had got sick n tired of all of u n ur baseless comments so then i quit this forum bcoz its quite obvious that none of u measured up 2 me.......so now u came back n typed 4 lines!!!!!!u think this is convincing?????n makes u right????no my vulnerable n ignorant "MUSLIM BROTHER"that makes me 2 come strongly 2 this conclusion that u have no arguement n no defence 4 ur stupid way of using religion 4 ur own chauvanist n oppresive ideas towards women.....by just typing foolishly n saying that "I DONT UNDERSATND" wont prove u right....i am pretty sure that u wont answer this time aswell n u ,ll wait 4 another 10 or 15 days of my inactivity n then type another 3 lines.....i feel sorry 4 all u(ARABS) n ur lack of capacity of judging things in the light of facts n figures.....so long.......ANJUM...

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by the way,what made u so sure that i am sorry 4 everything i said here in this forum???????r u out of ur mind??(though i doubt that u have any).....whatever i have said is based on facts n on firm ground of jaudgments...i didn,t use Allah,Islam n Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) to make something up.....thats what ppl like u have been doing.....so tell me.....why would i be sorry????either u r stupid or u think i am a fool...."FOOLS CAN,T MAKE OTHERS FOOL"..in both cases u r an imbeclie n irrartional person bcoz we both can,t be stupid or wrong but only one(n u know who is that...)...so long......a secular,moderate n rational muslim ANJUM..... tatata

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just i wanna talk about a point you mention in your comment you said ((moderate and rational muslim anjum))
here you r this is the problem you moderate your islam to be just like western nations,but in saudi arabia and just in k.s.a we still living and we'll be like our prophet .
i said you won't understand because of that ok brother and i did not mean that you r stupid i'll never think of saying such things but you did and i forgive you.
the whole argument was about hejab right? mohmmad(pbuh) order us to do like that and we did with out asking y coz we know its right.
i'm sorry . i could not reply directly coz i'v examinations but now i'm free so you can objuct as much as you can.... friend and brother of islam anjum, i hope you r not upset, about me i'm very happy to chat with a guy like you.
.....i'm waiting...good bye

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1st of all i wanna make it clear that neither i am stuck in past(like u) nor i am a moron who worship US or Europe...thats called a moderate person.....but u n these so called MULLAHS always think that a moderate muslim can,t be a muslim at all n there is no space of independent thought in Islam...
n for god sake now stop using Islam or Prophet Muhammad(PBUH)4 ur sick philosophy.....ok if he has asked mulsims 2 force their women 2 wear veil then by the way he asked many other things 2 do as well;freedom 2 all non-muslims 2 perform their religious duties n i know very well what religious freedom is in KSA(i was born in DAMMAM n my father had worked there 4 more than a decade so i know some marvellous truths n facts about KSA)no church,temple or Synagogue can be built in KSA......is that waht prophet Muhammad(PBUH)has asked u???.....
Medina(i dont remember may be Meccah)is a city 4 only muslims n there is a board on the highway which leads 2 the city,that says "FOR MULSIMS",......is that waht Prophet Muhammad(PBUH)has asked u?????.......women can,t drive.....did Prophet Muhammad(PBUH)said that women shouldn,t be allowed 2 drive a carriage????
did Prophet Muhammad(PBUH)asked ur stupid kings 2 built HAREMS so they could screw some women??????........n still u say that u r like ur PROPHET!!!!!.....where have been u living or u think we have????
there is a gross violation of human rights being taken place in KSA of the worst kind n whole world knows that(u can befool a few ppl forever n all the ppl 4 some time but u can,t befool all the ppl forever)......did Prophet Muhammad(PBUH)asked u to deprive someone of his/(particularly her) basic rights???
i am proud that in my country(regardless of many problems)atleast women r not slaves.....they r in army,police,civil service,media,movies in every field n on the other hand ur women have been alloted only 3 duties;to get married,produce kids n then die.....thats it......u live in a country with the most worst n obsolete political n theocratic system n u r gonna tell me about Islam n its ideals?????.......
u can,t even defend ur own country(including KABAA) so u have 2 ask aid from US n there comes thousands of US troops.....u have 2 call in christian forces 2 defend u n u say u r like ur Prophet.......hahahha......give ma a break!!!
be honest n tell me that everything which is taking place in KSA is according 2 Islam???.....so long......

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Mr.Saudi muslim couldn,t answer my querries so he personaly e-mailed me.....hahha...he wrote this mazing story;

hi anjum, look i know that i'm right and these is our life and we r happy and living like these for 1425 years and we'll be like these to the lastday so plz don't talk about this again. ok
by theway i'm 22 years old and i'm now training in riyadh medical compund and really don't have the time to answer your odd qs. about you can i know how old r u? and what do you do?
ahh i wanna tell you a story, a female doctor from jermany came to the hospital i work in to do a research about woman's diseases resulting from sexual relations,she started her research their in jermany then she was asked to look for other comunites,invironments to complete the reasearch so she came to the department and after a month and at the lunch time she was setting alone and seems to be very upset.a saudi nurse came to her and asked her.. is the somthing wrong with u? she said i'v been working her for along time and i did not see any patient (female) with a disease or sex disease all the patient were complaining from unsexual problems i don't know why and i don't know how to complete the research ohhh. then the nurse laughed and said (alhamdo lelah) this because we r muslims! the doctor said!! so and if you r muslim you'll not be affected by those diseases?the nurse then explain to her how do we ;ive and told her about our rules the doctor was impressed and she asked the nurse to tell her more about islam and to bring a book which talk about it. and after 2 monthes there was a meeting for the stuff you know what happend she came to the meeting wearing the hejab and she took the microphone and said>ashhad an la ilah ela allah> by a broken arabic langauge,,
do you think if she was living in usa nowdays and read about islam she 'll believe of it?
what i mean is when you live in k.s.a and see how r we living i'm sure that you'll change your idea.

N THEN I REPLIED HIM HUMBLY!;

hi Mr.perfect muslim!
hahaha....if u r already convinced that u r right 4 everything n no arguement can convince u,doesn,t matter how valid it is,then whats the need of this???..hahaha....
i am 20 n i am doing my graduation in political science(not Islamic jurisprudence,in case u thought so!)
i already knew that u wont have time 4 my ODD questions....but these r not ODD qs these r valid n worth answering(u know very well!)thats why u didn,t type this whole self made story in "TWISTED.COM"bcoz then others,ll come 2 know that ur words r empty n u can,t defend ur opinion so u threw ur own version of truth to just me.....hahaha....u found the time 2 write me this long mail but why couldn,t u just paste it in "TWISTED.COM".....bcoz then ppl ,ll come 2 know about ur double standards!!!.....simple....
i am just 20 but more realistic n smart than u could ever imagine.....
u didn,t answer my "ODD"(bcoz truth is always bitter n ODD)questions....
if u haven,t visited TWISTED.COM recently then plzzzz do n then u,ll find that how ODD these qs r!.....i didn,t ask 4 some rip off story i asked 4 justifiable explaination.....which u couldn,t provide bcoz u didn,t have any......
ok if u dont want 2 answer all of them bcoz that,ll reveal ur inside....then just answer one;why aren,t saudi women allowed 2 drive?is there any justification?
i study politics n that requires rational comments not ur stupid stories about sexuall diseases with no base....
n i,ll keep talking about ur discrimination till the last day...ok....bcoz i am a muslim too(if not a better muslim but surely many times a better honest human being) n bcoz of U ppl Islam n muslims all over the globe r facing ridicule n humiliation day after day.....so that concerns me n my country.......got it???
n next time u answer me(if u find time 4 my ODD questions!)plz do in TWISTED.COM(in case u r an honest person) so u can tell other ppl about ur point of view n if u can,t just accept that u r wrong ok.....dont be a stubborn kid who doesn,t have any grip on topic but he just keeps saying that he is right...byeeeeee

hope he makes a more sensible n worth reding story next time...

Posted by: anjum at July 29, 2004 12:34 AM

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n now any person with minimum intellect n common sense surely,ll come 2 conclusion that my questions 2 Mr.Saudi muslim were not "ODD" ones but "DISTURBING" ones......but he seemed 2 have found them "ODD"bcoz they revealed his n his country,s twin edged n double standard policy towards women n the way of using religion as a weapon 2 justify their obsolete,ridiculous n unacceptable policies.....so long....

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i'm telling the truth always and the about the story if can read arabic go alriyadh newspaper and you'll find it.
i was in a hurry so i read your joke ,,,,how dare you talk about your god like this? you want to make joke like this stop it your not muslim. i'll answer your odd q when i've time coz i told you ,you'll not convince and i don't have time nowdays bye mr.
HOW FOOL THESE MORTALS ARE?

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this is what u said in ur one post;
"i could not reply directly coz i'v examinations but now i'm free so you can objuct as much as you can.... friend and brother of islam anjum, i hope you r not upset, about me i'm very happy to chat with a guy like you......i'm waiting...good bye."

n now this this is what u typed in ur last post;
"i'll answer your odd q when i've time coz i told you ,you'll not convince and i don't have time nowdays bye mr."


HAHAHAHAHA.....what does that prove?that u can,t stand up 2 me...u r just another typical saudi moron who thinks he is very smart n can get along with anyone from outer free world....but when he faces ground reality,he can do nothing but retreat!
u haven,t given a single valid justification of ur stupid laws.....n u still say that u speak truth....its like junior school kids n streey guys,when they talk without logic n reasoning...
Mr.smart guy!tell me one thing,did u find anything in this forum except humiliation n ridicule of ur comments?,comments,which were totaly baseless n completely contradictory to Islam...
n 4 ur information....i couldn,t dare 2 make fun of God,i made fun of President Bush....if u have problem with understanding english,join some english learning institute....n dont come 2 an english forum 2 make fun of urs untill u have learnt basic english...ok?
but tell me....how dare u call me non-muslim??who the fuck r u 2 decide?my faith is a matter between me n Allah....he knows how good or bad muslim n person i am...i dont need any certification from any MULLAH,MOSQUE or atleast a fool like U(who can,t share his ideas n opinions with a fellow muslim so then how,ll he convince a non-muslim?)
are all saudis r like u?irrational,fools n racist?i bet they r?after i met u,my hatred 4 saudi men n pitty 4 saudi women has increased manifold...

the thing 4 i am most grateful 2 God is that he didn,t let me live in saudi arabia....thanks god,that my parents brought me back in Pakistan n i didn,t have 2 live in that hell hole!HELL,where if a guy is wandering in bazar at prayer time he,ll be arrested by MUTTAWA(religious police)4 not being in mosque....HELL,where women even dont have citizenship rights..HELL,where if any woman is seen alone in a bazar or street,its quite possible that she,ll be caught on charges of prostitution....my god!u r the one who has made God n religion a joke!
tell me another thing?is there any woman in ur Athens Olympic squad?.....hahah....i have already checked,there r none....aren,t any saudi women interested in sports?....or better 2 say saudi men r not interested 2 allow them 2 participate in sports...

sorry smart guy!i can,t read arabic n above all i dont wanna read an arabic paper....where a bunch of morons(like U),ll be working 4 just government n state propaganda....but if u find time from ur "BUSY SCEDULE"(HAHAHA)plzz visit these sites,which,ll show u mirror....
this 1st link leads u 2 an article written by saudi columnist;

http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=15870

here is another one;

http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/000927/2000092753.html

n these 3 links,ll get u 2 reports on human rights violation in saudi arabis by Amnesty International(this is an private organiation n doesn,t work 4 any country,s interest but human rights n peace);

http://www.amnesty.org/ailib/intcam/saudi/briefing/4.html


http://www.amnesty.org/ailib/intcam/saudi/briefing/2.html


http://www.amnesty.org/ailib/intcam/saudi/briefing/3.html

(n if anyone else follows these links,plzzzzz forward them 2 as many ppl as u can.....so the world gets 2 know the real n disgusting face of saudi arabia)

n at last,i wanna inform u that its my last post addressed 2 u(so u can take a sigh of relief!)bcoz i have strongly come 2 this conlusion that i have been wasting my time n my words 2 convince a moron who(with his whole country)has gone way far the threshold of stupidity n has made his country the most hated n ridiculed in whole world.....a country,which won,t be here sooner or latter,bcoz just like Iraq n Afghanistan,KSA,s government,ll also be toppled by US(in a covert operation)after she would have taken all benefits from U,then ur time is up!!!

i am pretty sure that after reading my post u wont be able 2 sleep 4 many nights bcoz then u would be quite awared of the magnitude of hatred ppl have 4 u n ur anti-human n anti-woman laws...i feel pitty 4 all of saudis....

SHAME ON ALL OF U

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Just a quick line to say we've got some new songs in the offing, soon to be aired.
We give The Darkness a run out at springhead for the first time, and Stu sang it admirably
(I guess Andrea gave him some pre-gig attention!), maybe we should try some Kate Bush......
anyway get yourselves down to some gigs, and as usual thanks for your continuing support, see ya for now.

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